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Cristóbal
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« on: August 15, 2008, 03:39:10 PM »

I know it's been a hell of a market since we were all at UWO, but hasn't anybody come up with any good ideas lately?
 
United HealthGroup (UNH), that I posted about in July, is up from $23 to $32 in that same timeframe.  Morningstar continues to give it 5 stars, and calculates fair value at $53.  My calculations come in just a little lighter. 

Anyone else?
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« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2008, 07:21:19 PM »

I've been working on an analysis of Tim Hortons, but I'm up north with the family and don't have my notes. I remember EPV was higher than NAV so I needed to assess the probability of sustaining the competitive advantage. It is currently trading at more than double what I came with for IV, so chalk this one into the "wait for supreme weakness" file. Again, I am stuck with the questions "is it secular, is it cyclical", as being the slightly natty paranoiac I often wonder out loud if the US is making a secular transition to post-superpower status via an economic crack-up unseen since the 1930's. Value traps will abound if this is the case.

So far this summer my investments have been few, and non-standard. I bought a website that I was easily able to rebrand onto a stronger domain name and it basically sits there on autopilot and earns about 3%-4% per month, recurring. I'm still measuring the retention and churn rates, but it looks like if I don't push on it (fire up a marketing program, etc), I can realistically expect 30%-40% ROI annually. It's tough to buy stocks when you can do that. Of course the downside to that is, the internet has no historical data for cyclical trends so everything is uncharted territory. Maybe I'll write a separate post on "value investing in web assets" because it's a whole different topic.
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« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2008, 11:20:46 AM »

I still haven't found the time to complete my excel sheets for the process we picked up in London.

However, I have recently bought some Canwest (based on FFH buying in at much higher prices) and did a volatility trade on GNK recently  - the idea was to pick up the dividend and try for some gain - gain was 10x the dividend but it is back down to near where I got in.

None of this is based on the UWO course, but I haven't had time to finish my sheets, much less start digging for ideas.
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« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2008, 08:28:59 PM »


Mark Jr. wrote:
"I'm still measuring the retention and churn rates, but it looks like if I don't push on it (fire up a marketing program, etc), I can realistically expect 30%-40% ROI annually. It's tough to buy stocks when you can do that."


OK, but UnitedHealth UNH moved from $23 to $32, because it became so undervalued.  That's better than 71% per my calculator.  In six weeks.  And UNH is no obscure, small-cap.

I totally respect your apparent circle of competence, Mark, which is the internet; but, there's more to explore by the rest of us, no?

We're seeing some very distressed valuations in a lot of stocks, and perhaps they'll become even more distressed.  I would hope that between the 20-or-so of us, we can uncover some compelling values in this market.  Please speak up!  Let us know what you're seeing and thinking!  This forum can have a lot of value for all of us.  Jump in, everybody!

Cheers from the south of México,

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« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2008, 02:31:05 PM »


Mark Jr. wrote:
"I'm still measuring the retention and churn rates, but it looks like if I don't push on it (fire up a marketing program, etc), I can realistically expect 30%-40% ROI annually. It's tough to buy stocks when you can do that."


OK, but UnitedHealth UNH moved from $23 to $32, because it became so undervalued.  That's better than 71% per my calculator.  In six weeks.  And UNH is no obscure, small-cap.

I totally respect your apparent circle of competence, Mark, which is the internet; but, there's more to explore by the rest of us, no?

You're right, I was meandering off topic. I guess the one thing I have taken to heart in studying value investing is to treat your investments as ownership in the business. So when I look for a home for a chunk of my capital, I seem to inevitably wander back to the internet. Which, I may have mentioned before, is usually an awful place to put your money for public traded companies, but if you know what you're doing you can pick up a self-contained "mini-business" that spins off some cash.

Back to equities:

As you probably know from the MSN board, Fairfax Financial (FFH) is now or was recently trading below book. I've been interested in them awhile, but I have sworn to myself that I will only invest in an equity I have come to understand via the methodology we learned in London - performing such an analysis of FFH is something we techies call "non-trivial".

CNQ is jumping today on news that Warren Buffet and Bill Gates toured their facility in the tar sands, if BRK were to buy CNQ there may be some arbitrage play there.

I'm back from a vacation myself today, so next week I return to the office and I'll be looking in earnest.

-mark
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« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2008, 12:31:08 PM »

Agrium is looking pretty cheap right now.

I'm going to start an analysis but a quick look shows it trading around a P/E of like, < 4 right now.
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« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2008, 03:16:47 PM »

I have been looking at OMPI a small skin car manufacturer in the US.  They look like a really good value buy to me that generates a tonne of cash and I like their business Model.  I valued their 2007 annual numbers and got an Intrinsic value of $14.75 with a buy price of $9.83.  I would love to have someone else analyze them and hear what you think but to me they look like a good buy?

I look forward to you thoughts

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« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2009, 09:51:30 PM »

I've been looking at Sprott Resource Corp TSX:SPC, they basically invest in other resource companies.

They've had a really good turn of luck, selling a coal mine to Russia a few months before the meltdown has them sitting on a pile of cash (somewhere north of 200M I think)

Then the meltdown just smashed resource stocks right down into oversold and undervalued, and SCP is just licking their getting ready to cherry pick some of these bargains.

They're basically setting themselves up to be a resource and commodity oriented value fund. I picked some up at $1.92 a couple months back although I haven't done an analysis on them yet.
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